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michael cohen is not going to be a bad witness. it's such a ridiculous argument. >> he'll be able to communicate in ways the jury will find relatable and be able to absorb, but he has a fleet of louis vuitton baggage. >> that all relates to donald trump. >> again, it opens the door for impeaching his credibility. my point is, donald trump is orchestrating this defense. you see him communicating with todd blanche, he's the guy in charge here. i think that's got to be difficult. he wants a certain narrative to be advanced. i think they are trying to advance this narrative. it may not be the best narrative. >> we'll have another come back on the other side because we have so much more. all sticking around for much more on the first criminal trial of a former president and all the tabloid fun that took place today. "the reidout" continues after this. we're here with chris counahan of our local leaffilter. so chris, tell us how leaffilter is different from every other gutter protection on the market. with leaffilters, patented filter te
michael cohen is not going to be a bad witness. it's such a ridiculous argument. >> he'll be able to communicate in ways the jury will find relatable and be able to absorb, but he has a fleet of louis vuitton baggage. >> that all relates to donald trump. >> again, it opens the door for impeaching his credibility. my point is, donald trump is orchestrating this defense. you see him communicating with todd blanche, he's the guy in charge here. i think that's got to be difficult....
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it was just michael cohen. michael cohen. now, it's donald trump was actually doing the talk as possible. you may not have known about that call until that moment or he should have known. i mean, the the your council is provided, but these documents and these tapes long before you got sent to them and no, clearly they knew this was coming. now, whether they told their client than it was coming as another okay. >> okay another crucial moment for the defense today davidson says, quote, i have had no personal interactions with donald trump so again, that call we just heard as michael cohen, donald trump talking about financing payment to karen mcdougal, davidson represented her. you also up and represent stormy daniel. and what's at stake in this case. but he says, i've had no personal interactions with him. so has the prosecution had any success so far in linking the stormy daniels payment to trump, which they must do not really. >> so they've had some witnesses speculating that trump was behind the scenes and understood it, bu
it was just michael cohen. michael cohen. now, it's donald trump was actually doing the talk as possible. you may not have known about that call until that moment or he should have known. i mean, the the your council is provided, but these documents and these tapes long before you got sent to them and no, clearly they knew this was coming. now, whether they told their client than it was coming as another okay. >> okay another crucial moment for the defense today davidson says, quote, i...
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dealt directly with trump, only with michael cohen. cohen is expected to take the stand later in the trial in new york. connor hansen, fox news. >> the recount for the district 16 congressional race finally over state assembly member evan lowe will advance to face sam liccardo in november. san mateo county finished that recount on wednesday, including its review of 16 challenged ballots. elections officials say lowe gained one vote in the end, and county supervisor joe simitian received zero. the totals put lowe ahead by just five votes for second place. the election had originally resulted in a tie. >> wnba star brittney griner is speaking publicly about her nearly ten month long detention in a russian prison. >> and as fox's alex hogan shows us, the revelations come as tensions continue to deepen between washington and moscow. more than a year after being released from a russian prison, wnba star brittney griner is speaking out about her months long detention on drug related charges in a new sit down interview, the 33 year old reveal
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and at that point, neither michael cohen nor donald trump could stop her. trump has repeatedly said he would testify in his own defense, but today, on his way out of court, he made this false claim. >> well, i'm not allowed to testify, i'm under a gag order. i guess, right? i can't even testify or nothing. >> reporter: the gag order does not prevent trump from testifying. as he has said on at least three different occasions he would. every criminal defendant has the right to testify in his or her
and at that point, neither michael cohen nor donald trump could stop her. trump has repeatedly said he would testify in his own defense, but today, on his way out of court, he made this false claim. >> well, i'm not allowed to testify, i'm under a gag order. i guess, right? i can't even testify or nothing. >> reporter: the gag order does not prevent trump from testifying. as he has said on at least three different occasions he would. every criminal defendant has the right to testify...
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. >> reporter: prosecutors cited several examples, including this come about future witness michael cohen. >> got caught lying in the last trial. >> reporter: on the stand today, stormy daniels a former attorney keith davidson who negotiated $130,000 payment from cohen to pay stormy daniels forr story before the election. >> and you have sex? >> yes. >> reporter: the night trump won, writing, what have we done? howard replied, oh, my god. asked to clarify the text, davidson told the attorney there is an understanding their activity might have assisted trump's campaign. trump has denied any wrongdoing and details about the payment, so today, the prosecution played an audio recording, in which rafah until davidson hates the fact we did it. davidson testified that was a reference to the payment for daniels. trump lawyers meanwhile tried to paint davidson is a serial extortionist of celebrities. citing alleged deals related to lindsay lohan, charlie sheen, and hulk hogan. and that he did the same with trump. >> they are doing a good job at showing sort of this cd, dirty underbelly of this wor
. >> reporter: prosecutors cited several examples, including this come about future witness michael cohen. >> got caught lying in the last trial. >> reporter: on the stand today, stormy daniels a former attorney keith davidson who negotiated $130,000 payment from cohen to pay stormy daniels forr story before the election. >> and you have sex? >> yes. >> reporter: the night trump won, writing, what have we done? howard replied, oh, my god. asked to clarify the...
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and at that point, neither michael cohen nor donald trump could stop her. trump has repeatedly said he would testify in his own defense, but today, on his way out of court, he made this false claim. >> well, i'm not allowed to testify, i'm under a gag order. i guess, right? i can't even testify or nothing. >> reporter: the gag order does not prevent trump from testifying. as he has said on at least three different occasions he would. every criminal defendant has the right to testify in his or her own defense, that includes donald trump. david? >> david: aaron katersky, thank you. >>> meantime, in the race for the white house, donald trump refusing to commit now to accepting the results of the upcoming november election, and president biden tonight saying, "take donald trump at his word" on this. here's mary bruce. >> reporter: tonight, the biden campaign is calling donald trump a danger to the constitution and a threat to our democracy, after the former president refused to say he would accept the results of the election. trump telling "the milwaukee journa
and at that point, neither michael cohen nor donald trump could stop her. trump has repeatedly said he would testify in his own defense, but today, on his way out of court, he made this false claim. >> well, i'm not allowed to testify, i'm under a gag order. i guess, right? i can't even testify or nothing. >> reporter: the gag order does not prevent trump from testifying. as he has said on at least three different occasions he would. every criminal defendant has the right to testify...
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trump was involved with michael cohen in the two incidents per which michael cohen pled guilty guilty. charged by federal prosecutors. one involved the hush money payment to stormy daniels and the other was the karen mcdougal contract. and this particular tape is about the second crime to which michael cohen pled guilty, even though he just did the paperwork involving the payment to ms smith google, but you notice the word cash spoken by donald trump. it's not easy to here, but it wasn't the reason i went on chris cuomo and released it to cnn because that morning, rudy giuliani trump's lawyer said it was that michael cohen had used the word cash and there was at that point with his criminal defense lawyer that we decided we need to correct the record. that tape speaks for itself. >> that's where you gave the tape to cnn, correct? >> at that time, the jury also today heard michael cohen's voice for the first time. i thought it was significant. it in a stunning recording that link trump directly to stormy daniel's payment. let me quote from what he said. this is a direct quote. i can't
trump was involved with michael cohen in the two incidents per which michael cohen pled guilty guilty. charged by federal prosecutors. one involved the hush money payment to stormy daniels and the other was the karen mcdougal contract. and this particular tape is about the second crime to which michael cohen pled guilty, even though he just did the paperwork involving the payment to ms smith google, but you notice the word cash spoken by donald trump. it's not easy to here, but it wasn't the...
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now, for the first time the jury heard michael cohen's voice. prosecutors playing these recordings that at the time were secret and turned out to be quite interesting and now turned out to be criminal evidence. donald trump could lose this case, he could be convicted and sentenced to jail, he could be acquitted, we don't know what's going to happen. but the type of conversations he had were so bad they've become criminal evidence. that's quite something for a former president. here's one from 2018, who was president at the time, as coed told davidson -- >> the he being trump, and the thing being these payments. now, this corroborates what i've told you the d.a. needs to prove, that trump was in on this. now, you might be so accustomed to hearing donald trump spin and lie and the people around him spin and lie and you might say who each cares that they were saying whether they should or shouldn't do it, right? that's not the point. the point is that at the time then, not later when cohen ran into his further legal problems, but then while donald
now, for the first time the jury heard michael cohen's voice. prosecutors playing these recordings that at the time were secret and turned out to be quite interesting and now turned out to be criminal evidence. donald trump could lose this case, he could be convicted and sentenced to jail, he could be acquitted, we don't know what's going to happen. but the type of conversations he had were so bad they've become criminal evidence. that's quite something for a former president. here's one from...
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cohen, who he described as being despairing and despondent because he had not been given a job in the fledgling trump administration. he said he worried cohen might try to kill himself. cohen also mentioned that he was upset because trump has still not repaid him the $130,000 that cohen used of his own money to pay daniels. again, this is central too, because it is that eventual repayment and how those were accounted for, that are the center of the 34 allegations of falsifying business records that he stands accused of. >> how did mr. trump's attorneys try to undermine keith davidson's testimony when they cross-examined? >> they tried to put as much daylight between davidson and donald trump, acknowledging that he never met with him, never spoke to him, never had any phone calls, never been in a room with him before. they tried to portray davidson as a guy who gets salacious information about celebrities and tries to extort celebrities with that information. they mentioned all these different cases he had been involved with, with charlie sheen and hulk hogan and lindsay lohan, and the
cohen, who he described as being despairing and despondent because he had not been given a job in the fledgling trump administration. he said he worried cohen might try to kill himself. cohen also mentioned that he was upset because trump has still not repaid him the $130,000 that cohen used of his own money to pay daniels. again, this is central too, because it is that eventual repayment and how those were accounted for, that are the center of the 34 allegations of falsifying business records...
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. >> today in court, a digital expert testified about data extracted from michael cohen's cell phone. during a conversation, cohen recorded. cohen asked former president donald trump about financing the stormy daniels payment. trump responded, quote: what financing? tonight the former president again said this case shouldn't exist. >> we are seeing more all of the crime going outside and sitting in this courtroom is just ridiculous. it's election interference at the highest level. >> l.a. based attorney keith davidson wrapped up his testimony today with trump's lawyers asking him for the definition of extortion. and about deals davidson negotiated involving celebrities lindsey lohan, charlie sheen and milk hogan. davidson said he did his best to represent his clients including karen macdougall and stormy daniels. davidson never directly negotiated with trump. instead, working with cohen who told him before paying daniels, quote: i'll just do it myself. days later, cohen cited confidentiality agreement with daniels who went on denying having an affair with trump. something davidson des
. >> today in court, a digital expert testified about data extracted from michael cohen's cell phone. during a conversation, cohen recorded. cohen asked former president donald trump about financing the stormy daniels payment. trump responded, quote: what financing? tonight the former president again said this case shouldn't exist. >> we are seeing more all of the crime going outside and sitting in this courtroom is just ridiculous. it's election interference at the highest level....
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michael cohen shopping on a tv show called "the fixer" inspired by trump's "the apprentice." dana come a little pit stop, no comments actor come effective. >> dana: effective. comments we always like, if he is in a courtroom all day, he can't. campaigning on wednesday, he was a happy warrior and spoke for over an hour at each event. i think it is interesting as a political observer to watch how these two campaigns are going forward. he is basically being asked to run the new york marathon with 20-pound weight on his ankles and he is actually able to do it. i do think that michael cohen should be able to do that. i don't how to stop it. i don't get it. it does seem extraordinarily unfair. i think these are the five things that this election is going to turn on. we have mentioned it already, abortion is an issue, we know it is, immigration, we know that's the issue, the economy is the number one issue, crime is a lot of issue, and i would add this campus stuff animal in order. the last thing is geopolitics. on every single issue, president biden is upside down. >> jesse: isn't
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do you think keith davidson was a good setup for michael cohen are or might someone else come, come before? >> i think they'll probably sandwich a few more innocuous witnesses in between these two and have cohen he's really the show at this trial but i wanted to say one thing, jay kara made a great point, and the last segment when mr. beauvais cross-examined davidson and it was bought out that well, what he did wasn't illegally was investigated for extortion, but never charged. that jury doesn't check it's common sense at the door. they see everything they hear everything. there's a story in the news now about a politician shooting a dog. and it's been said, well, it's not illegal in that particular state. who shoots a puppy, who does that? and the jury is going to get back there. >> and whether he was charged or not charged or it's legal or not. >> legos lawyers, we get too focused on the statutes, the laws, the rules, the codes they're gonna get back there and think who lives like this, who preys on people's misfortunes. >> and they're going to have to tie the defendant to this cd activi
do you think keith davidson was a good setup for michael cohen are or might someone else come, come before? >> i think they'll probably sandwich a few more innocuous witnesses in between these two and have cohen he's really the show at this trial but i wanted to say one thing, jay kara made a great point, and the last segment when mr. beauvais cross-examined davidson and it was bought out that well, what he did wasn't illegally was investigated for extortion, but never charged. that jury...
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cohen. he really took issue with donald trump saying the jury was 95% democrats and the whole process was unfair. i think it's likely the judge will hit him with additionalfines. prosecutors said they weren't asking for jail time yet, that something the judge that could be a necessary punishment. nada, thank you. he was back on the campaign trail last night. i want to play what he said about the judge while he was out there talking to the crowds. no crime. i have a crooked judge, a totally conflicted judge. unfortunately, it's a 95% or so democrat area. other than that, things are wonderful. he is not backing down. he's doubling down. legally it doesn't make much sense but politically particularly in swing states like wisconsin and michigan makes perfect sense. ., �* ., ., , . , sense. you've got to remember many american voters — sense. you've got to remember many american voters are _ sense. you've got to remember many american voters are seeing _ sense. you've got to remember many ame
cohen. he really took issue with donald trump saying the jury was 95% democrats and the whole process was unfair. i think it's likely the judge will hit him with additionalfines. prosecutors said they weren't asking for jail time yet, that something the judge that could be a necessary punishment. nada, thank you. he was back on the campaign trail last night. i want to play what he said about the judge while he was out there talking to the crowds. no crime. i have a crooked judge, a totally...
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michael cohen lied. but when he gets on the stand, he's likely to say that he lied in the service of donald trump he was very loyal to donald trump. there's the famous quote of, he would take a bullet for donald trump, which is a coincidence because donald trump said he could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and his fans, his supporters were so loyal, they wouldn't i'm just saying there's like a metaphor combo going on there i know someone who knows both of them very well and their relationship going back and that person said to me that they really thought at the time that michael cohen would be the last person to turn on trump. >> so what is michael cohen like on the witness stand we he may very well connect with jurors. you don't know when someone says, i'm ashamed, i'm wrong. we saw his testimony in front of congress we do not know, but if that's the way he presents himself in court, it may give him some credibility despite the lies, jareh is it possible that michael cohen might come across as more symp
michael cohen lied. but when he gets on the stand, he's likely to say that he lied in the service of donald trump he was very loyal to donald trump. there's the famous quote of, he would take a bullet for donald trump, which is a coincidence because donald trump said he could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and his fans, his supporters were so loyal, they wouldn't i'm just saying there's like a metaphor combo going on there i know someone who knows both of them very well and their relationship...
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michael cohen came into this -- everything michael cohen says he's almost out of a comic book grifting in new york. i don't think todd blanche is that way. >> you have evan corcoran who became a very important witness. turned over all his notes to jack smith. you do have rudy giuliani who represented trump in mueller all the way through the election denialism. he's now bankrupt. you don't have many people who represented trump and came out better for it. >> or escaped. >> or came out better, enhanced. tacopina might be the only exception. >> he's been pushed to the side. i don't know if he'll even get paid. if you don't perform well in front of donald trump he won't pay his bills. this trade off that i'll get publicity or i'll get a good paycheck and it's worth whatever personal embarrassment, it doesn't often happen for people. >> what do you say? >> i was surprised the defense went after davidson on extortion. first off, it's highly disputable if that's true. even if it was, you know what's not a defense to campaign finance violation, extortion. it's like playing tennis with a golf c
michael cohen came into this -- everything michael cohen says he's almost out of a comic book grifting in new york. i don't think todd blanche is that way. >> you have evan corcoran who became a very important witness. turned over all his notes to jack smith. you do have rudy giuliani who represented trump in mueller all the way through the election denialism. he's now bankrupt. you don't have many people who represented trump and came out better for it. >> or escaped. >> or...
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something michael cohen is not. and the thousand dollar fine each time he says something out of turn and prosecutors want to punish him. wears all that going? >> i agree with president trump that he is on an unfair gag order when you consider the campaign. maybe i'm being contrarian here even though he is suffering legal setbacks he is turning it into political gold. he is six points ahead of biden amongst registered voters nathan -- nationwide. he performed a judo move on these prosecutors by turning these attacks into favourable political ratings. part is what we just saw. ayden has trouble giving a press conference and streaming sentences together. you set -- sit in a courtroom for ten days in a row and you can't say anything and all you do is listen to people attack you than at the end of the day you get up and give a pretty good press conference and no transcript written out for you and not practice. so you look at the contrast between him and he comes out looking better. >> let me ask you but the process. twel
something michael cohen is not. and the thousand dollar fine each time he says something out of turn and prosecutors want to punish him. wears all that going? >> i agree with president trump that he is on an unfair gag order when you consider the campaign. maybe i'm being contrarian here even though he is suffering legal setbacks he is turning it into political gold. he is six points ahead of biden amongst registered voters nathan -- nationwide. he performed a judo move on these...
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you have michael cohen on paperwork, michael cohen having texts, phone call, there's not a lot of donald trump. the only direct donald trump conversations we've got so far was from the first witness, and that was david pecker. >> in the end, the lot of this is a side show. the key question is when trump directed those payments to be made to michael cohen and when he directed records to be made and if he directed records to be made, and false records to be made. there's likely a witness from trump tower, inside the trump organization who's going to say, yes, trump said, write them to michael cohen, and here's how i knew. >> they need the witness to say as plainly as that? >> it can't be they knew. it can't be i assumed this because that's -- >> it has to be i saw this. >> davidson said, he didn't say i know for a fact donald trump was going to be paying the $130,000. he said i assumed it was him or corporate affiliation, so it can't be speculation or assumption. right now we have it's michael cohen. and he's corroborated, yes he took out the 130. and all of his acts are corroborated. so f
you have michael cohen on paperwork, michael cohen having texts, phone call, there's not a lot of donald trump. the only direct donald trump conversations we've got so far was from the first witness, and that was david pecker. >> in the end, the lot of this is a side show. the key question is when trump directed those payments to be made to michael cohen and when he directed records to be made and if he directed records to be made, and false records to be made. there's likely a witness...
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michael cohen with another stick action figure. should these things, i think they may have been taken down, but should they impose a gag order on michael cohen even though he said he put one on himself at this point quick. >> i don't think there should be any gag orders frankly but if you're going to have them, i think what you're seeing from judge marchand is virtually every important thing he gets it wrong. so the answer here is not that michael cohen is not on trial and trump is, the judge's job is to protect the defendant, the other people, you know, but if merchant is saying i need these gag orders in order to protect the jury from prejudicial outside publicity then what difference doesn't make of it is donald trump talking about the case or cohen or any other participant in it? and obviously the prosecutors have a lot of influence over michael cohen you think they could stop them from doing these posts in a heartbeat but obviously they decided not to do that. >> i think you make such a good point i hope people pay close atten
michael cohen with another stick action figure. should these things, i think they may have been taken down, but should they impose a gag order on michael cohen even though he said he put one on himself at this point quick. >> i don't think there should be any gag orders frankly but if you're going to have them, i think what you're seeing from judge marchand is virtually every important thing he gets it wrong. so the answer here is not that michael cohen is not on trial and trump is, the...
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ultimate reimbursement of the funds to michael cohen of that payment to stormy daniels. they were questioning what the actual motives of keith davidson were and insinuation and implication that potentially stormy daniels' story was made up. not only financial gains for stormy daniels but for keith davidson. this is week three of this trial. week two of testimony here. not clear who the next witnesses could be. there's been chatter over the course of these weeks that donald trump repeatedly having his eyes closed throughout these hours in the courtroom, donald trump for the first time explicitly responded in a social media post, he said i don't fall asleep during this trial here, i simply close my beautiful blue eyes as i listen intensely and take it all in. >> danny, let's talk about this gag order. he's not supposed to make comments about the jury our witnesses, four instances that the prosecution is pointing to and i think we can play those and then we can talk. >> look at all the lies that cohen did in the last trial, he caught lying in the last trial, he got caught l
ultimate reimbursement of the funds to michael cohen of that payment to stormy daniels. they were questioning what the actual motives of keith davidson were and insinuation and implication that potentially stormy daniels' story was made up. not only financial gains for stormy daniels but for keith davidson. this is week three of this trial. week two of testimony here. not clear who the next witnesses could be. there's been chatter over the course of these weeks that donald trump repeatedly...
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two with michael cohen saying, and i'm paraphrasing, michael cohen is a liar. michael cohen is not going to be a good witness, he's problematic. things we have heard repeatedly when it comes to the star witness, michael cohen. then it's the jury at which the former president said 95% of the jury is democrats. it seemed as if during a gag order hearing earlier today, the judge is leaning more towards finding donald trump in violation of what he said about the jury. we know as part of the gag order, the former president could not speak ill of the jury or cannot speak at all of any witnesses or any potential witnesses. it seems if judge juan merchan is leaning in the direction of holding donald trump in violation of a gag order when he spoke about the jury. when it comes to michael cohen, he's more on the fence. david pecker, he's less concerned. he said that in court today. one other thing i think is important to mention is the defense brought up by todd blanche, who seemed more prepared this time around during the gag order hearing, when it came to michael cohen
two with michael cohen saying, and i'm paraphrasing, michael cohen is a liar. michael cohen is not going to be a good witness, he's problematic. things we have heard repeatedly when it comes to the star witness, michael cohen. then it's the jury at which the former president said 95% of the jury is democrats. it seemed as if during a gag order hearing earlier today, the judge is leaning more towards finding donald trump in violation of what he said about the jury. we know as part of the gag...
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in fact that is what michael cohen pled guilty to. the same man that perjured himself in my attorney general case and admitted to it on the stand. we are clearly in a very much political law fairing environment and as americans both democrat and republican if we don't stop it we are in trouble as a country. >> sandra: are you any more optimistic than you were last week when we spoke to you about the outcome of this trial for the former president? >> listen, like i said and i have said time and time again the president has done nothing wrong. if we are in a fair environment, if we are not in manhattan where they intentionally select a venue which despite our motions to move it is intentionally blue it is a blue city. and the pool is blue it is what it is. that is all intentional. georgia, washington, d.c., you cannot get it twisted that this is all by design by the biden administration. am i hopeful? my client did nothing wrong. if he was given a fair jury, if he was given a fair trial, if he was given a fair trier of fact who does not
in fact that is what michael cohen pled guilty to. the same man that perjured himself in my attorney general case and admitted to it on the stand. we are clearly in a very much political law fairing environment and as americans both democrat and republican if we don't stop it we are in trouble as a country. >> sandra: are you any more optimistic than you were last week when we spoke to you about the outcome of this trial for the former president? >> listen, like i said and i have...
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wasn't it important for michael cohen to impress the boss. michael cohen could have been doing this just to make an impression on donald trump without donald trump's involvement or knowledge. that would have been a very effective cross, particularly given that these folks, they don't dispute that there was a nondisclosure agreement. they're very happy to admit that there was. and in fact, they want davidson to help them establish that ndas are standard operating procedure. >> that was his first question. >> just as they did with david pecker. taking a wider lens out, we are still focused on the conspiracy. there will come a point in time where the d.a.'s attention shifts to the back half and really the more important part of the case although the duller part of the case. how did donald trump and others around him then get together to cover this up through false business records that the trump organization and beyond. right now we're still all about the election and making sure donald trump won in 2016 in part through the cooperation and help
wasn't it important for michael cohen to impress the boss. michael cohen could have been doing this just to make an impression on donald trump without donald trump's involvement or knowledge. that would have been a very effective cross, particularly given that these folks, they don't dispute that there was a nondisclosure agreement. they're very happy to admit that there was. and in fact, they want davidson to help them establish that ndas are standard operating procedure. >> that was his...
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now i will say though michael cohen is different. i mean, i know michael cohen. i think we've all met him at various times. >> he can be persuasive, he can be likable, he can be charming now, i don't think when he gets on the stand, he's going to come across as an offensive personality to the jury, but it doesn't really matter so much. >> what michael cohen's like right now in 2024, the relevance is, what was he like back then in 2016? so they are doing the trump's team is doing a good job of pre, dirty gang up. michael coleman before even takes a stand, even setting aside what the pre michael cohen was like. they have gotten ten days almost like constant drumbeat of bad information about this individual that ostensibly they didn't have a lot of background with whatever they knew before what they know now is pretty bad. >> but well, you know that that donald trump used him as his fixer and that he decided not to bring him to washington. he wanted to be in the white house staff, maybe white house counsel, whatever he decided not to bring them to washington cnn nos
now i will say though michael cohen is different. i mean, i know michael cohen. i think we've all met him at various times. >> he can be persuasive, he can be likable, he can be charming now, i don't think when he gets on the stand, he's going to come across as an offensive personality to the jury, but it doesn't really matter so much. >> what michael cohen's like right now in 2024, the relevance is, what was he like back then in 2016? so they are doing the trump's team is doing a...
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remember, everyone that undermines michael cohen makes him even weaker. they were hoping these witnesses would rehabilitate him. so everything he is saying is shoot true even though he's a convicted liar. i think it's going the opposite. >> it's interesting something davidson said and martha alluded to this he said he expected everything he had done for donald trump it would be the attorney general or he would be the white house chief of staff. and david said he was so surprised that trump wasn't bringing him to washington he thought he would kill himself which kind of lays the groundwork for somebody who may be a little vindictive when it comes to his former boss. i want to ask you about these protests. because we have seen them going on perry we finally heard from biden, ten days after the last time and that was only because a pool producer asked him about it in the first place. chris merrick garland and all of this and is there a role for the doj under civil rights law to get involved in what we see across the country? >> there absolutely is a way. if
remember, everyone that undermines michael cohen makes him even weaker. they were hoping these witnesses would rehabilitate him. so everything he is saying is shoot true even though he's a convicted liar. i think it's going the opposite. >> it's interesting something davidson said and martha alluded to this he said he expected everything he had done for donald trump it would be the attorney general or he would be the white house chief of staff. and david said he was so surprised that...
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this is not specific to michael cohen. i say that because of what i spoke about earlier and jumping off of what andrew was talking about in. the retainer agreement, which i mentioned earlier. poking holes in the fact that there was no retainer agreement between stormy daniels and davidson when she retained him. when it comes to the pseudonyms. we talked about dennison. peggy peterson. the argument made by the prosecution, why would you use pseudonyms if you have nothing to cover up? if there was nothing nefarious, this hush money payment, if there was nothing nefarious, why would you use a pseudonym? a question asked, peggy peterson, that was your idea? davidson says, that was not my idea. it's widely used in these types of deals. this is the back and forth. asking these questions, trying to poke holes in the prosecution's argument and saying, these contracts, these pseudonyms, these names that are used are par the course for these types of agreements. >> jeffrey, you were talking about granular and andrew is talking about
this is not specific to michael cohen. i say that because of what i spoke about earlier and jumping off of what andrew was talking about in. the retainer agreement, which i mentioned earlier. poking holes in the fact that there was no retainer agreement between stormy daniels and davidson when she retained him. when it comes to the pseudonyms. we talked about dennison. peggy peterson. the argument made by the prosecution, why would you use pseudonyms if you have nothing to cover up? if there...
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cohen is on tiktok making money and he points out that michael cohen according to him shopping for a tv show he is allowed to speak but the former president is not. how is that fair? >> i don't think it is fair and i think the judge knows he made a mistake here and he's being stubborn. this order is poorly written and overly broad. what are you protecting michael cohen from, it is not like he is just some witness who saw a drive-by shooting and wants to keep his name and at the press this is someone who is actively courting attention and trying to raise money and attacking donald trump daily even after he said he wouldn't do it anymore during the trial. what are you him from? but putting that aside there is no recognition of the unique circumstances here that is the prosecutor's way to bring this case and before an election and then they sought this gag order on the leading candidate for the presidency, an election will weaponize in the criminal justice system is on the top of the list of many voters. and yet this court is refusing to acknowledge that that he is gagging the leading c
cohen is on tiktok making money and he points out that michael cohen according to him shopping for a tv show he is allowed to speak but the former president is not. how is that fair? >> i don't think it is fair and i think the judge knows he made a mistake here and he's being stubborn. this order is poorly written and overly broad. what are you protecting michael cohen from, it is not like he is just some witness who saw a drive-by shooting and wants to keep his name and at the press this...
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he discussed how he and michael cohen tried to put out a denial by stormy daniels. stormy daniels ultimately rescinded that denial. so a lot of insight into how those talks went. i insight into how those talks went. i mentioned there the gag order. again, prosecutors claimed the former president breaching that gag order. how close are we actually getting to potentialjail time here? remember, prosecutors brought up fees for additional alleged violations before donald trump was held in contempt of court. of course, at that moment, thejudge warning thatjail time may be a necessary punishment, prosecutors make clear in this hearing that they are not seeking jail timejust make clear in this hearing that they are not seeking jail time just yet. but, there was an interesting moment when donald trump's lawyers, again try to cling to the judge that he was being silenced. saying everyone else is allowed to discuss this case as they please. to which the judge reminded them that they were forgetting a serious point, that donald trump is the defendant in this case. and as such,
he discussed how he and michael cohen tried to put out a denial by stormy daniels. stormy daniels ultimately rescinded that denial. so a lot of insight into how those talks went. i insight into how those talks went. i mentioned there the gag order. again, prosecutors claimed the former president breaching that gag order. how close are we actually getting to potentialjail time here? remember, prosecutors brought up fees for additional alleged violations before donald trump was held in contempt...
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>> i think they're going into granular detail about michael cohen is not doing this for michael cohen. michael cohen is doing this for donald trump. so they're going through the granular detail of the signatures, of pseudonyms, of michael cohen signing on behalf of david dennison. and so this didn't happen because michael cohen was trying to do this for himself. he took out $130,000 loan on his house, transferred it on october 26th, the week or around a week before the election. this was all happening, according to the prosecution, to squash this information, which played into the whole videotape of trump talking about grabbing, you know, women by their private parts. so, this was explosive and donald trump and michael cohen and the whole white house apparatus is trying to squash this story. >> so, jeffrey, what is it that -- how does the prosecutor team deal with a witness, who they haven't brought up yet, but has already been mentioned over and over again, that has, well, credibility issues, how does the prosecution prepare for that? >> well, that's what they're doing. they are layi
>> i think they're going into granular detail about michael cohen is not doing this for michael cohen. michael cohen is doing this for donald trump. so they're going through the granular detail of the signatures, of pseudonyms, of michael cohen signing on behalf of david dennison. and so this didn't happen because michael cohen was trying to do this for himself. he took out $130,000 loan on his house, transferred it on october 26th, the week or around a week before the election. this was...
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the prosecution has been trying to hide michael cohen. this witness -- davidson something very magical to the ears of the defense. he had no direct communication with donald trump. where is the relevance of his testimony? three weeks of trial, harris, and no evidence implicating donald trump committing a crime. >> harris: thank you very much, all of my guests. anarchy campuses are dealing with across the nation, ucla encamp. cleared away. so much to get to. louisiana senator john kennedy is in "focus" next. g, ned's plaque psoriasis. he thinks his flaky red patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. otezla can help you get clearer skin. don't use otezla if you're allergic to it. serious allergic reactions can happen. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. some people taking otezla had depression, suicidal thoughts, or weight loss. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. live in the moment. ask your doctor about otezla. isolated...depressed... and embarrassed. t
the prosecution has been trying to hide michael cohen. this witness -- davidson something very magical to the ears of the defense. he had no direct communication with donald trump. where is the relevance of his testimony? three weeks of trial, harris, and no evidence implicating donald trump committing a crime. >> harris: thank you very much, all of my guests. anarchy campuses are dealing with across the nation, ucla encamp. cleared away. so much to get to. louisiana senator john kennedy...
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it was michael cohen, and if you're taking michael cohen more it's just another avenue. the prosecution is going to be prepared for it. they know already it's the michael cohen credibility show. >> and maybe they're trying to get out in front of this idea that this was all cohen because one of the things they've been talking about with keith davidson who's there is that he's telling them that he suspected trump would have been the one ultimately to make the payments here, to exchange the money. he called it an assumption, but he pointed to how in 2016, michael cohen had told him, quote, my guy referring to trump was on the campaign trail, that cohen couldn't make decisions in his absence, davidson saying that he figured it meant cohen didn't have the authority to actually spend the money. katie, what more does the prosecution need to get out of davidson? >> well, you have to finish the chronology. there's a reason why it began with karen mcdougal and it's going through the stormy daniels part of the chronology now. i would note that what's been entered into evidence are
it was michael cohen, and if you're taking michael cohen more it's just another avenue. the prosecution is going to be prepared for it. they know already it's the michael cohen credibility show. >> and maybe they're trying to get out in front of this idea that this was all cohen because one of the things they've been talking about with keith davidson who's there is that he's telling them that he suspected trump would have been the one ultimately to make the payments here, to exchange the...
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but his attorneys are saying michael cohen is talking about him on a daily basis. do i have that right? >> you absolutely do. bill. going after michael cohen for trashing his former boss during the proceedings, the gag order this morning. mr. blanch showed and talked about some tweets and some postings that michael cohen, the star witness in the trial, has made over the past several weeks, including on tiktok, including showing a doll of president trump in an orange jumpsuit saying you can send money to his commissary telling donald to stop messing with me. you should get your donald trump action figure in the orange jumpsuit before it escapes. that caused some giggles and laughing where people are watching the trial in the overthrow room. the basic legal foundation for this is that mr. blanch is trying to show there is no gag order on michael cohen and that his client, former president trump, is within the legal boundaries to attack cohen and attack others who are attacking him. it seems that judge merchan is giving blanch a little morally way in this gag order he
but his attorneys are saying michael cohen is talking about him on a daily basis. do i have that right? >> you absolutely do. bill. going after michael cohen for trashing his former boss during the proceedings, the gag order this morning. mr. blanch showed and talked about some tweets and some postings that michael cohen, the star witness in the trial, has made over the past several weeks, including on tiktok, including showing a doll of president trump in an orange jumpsuit saying you...
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cohen, the star witness in trump's, trial. what is congresswoman stefanik saying about this? ashley: she says the justice department is turning a blind eye toward cohen who admitted that he lied at an intelligence committee hearing in 2019 when testifying about allegations against trump. cohen worked as trump's lawyer and fixer before he turned against him. to fennec and congressman turner are urging the doj to take a cup a criminal referral against cohen, declined to follow-up, in a statement stefaniak said, quote, the biden administration's attempt to stonewall this investigation is another example of biden's lawfair against donald trump, it's time president biden stop weapon icing the federal government against his leading political opponents and as you said indeed cohen is one of the star witnesses against trump in the hush money trial so the doj doesn't want to do anything right now. stuart: polls show a growing number of people view trump's trial as purely political. brent brazil is going to join us on how the mainstream
cohen, the star witness in trump's, trial. what is congresswoman stefanik saying about this? ashley: she says the justice department is turning a blind eye toward cohen who admitted that he lied at an intelligence committee hearing in 2019 when testifying about allegations against trump. cohen worked as trump's lawyer and fixer before he turned against him. to fennec and congressman turner are urging the doj to take a cup a criminal referral against cohen, declined to follow-up, in a statement...
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trump's taking aim at his former lawyer and fixer, michael cohen. what's different from last time is mr. trump did not take these swipes in social media posts. instead, they were made out loud on camera. then, savannah, right back to the trial and more testimony about those hush money payments. >> all right, peter alexander. at the white house. thank you, peter. >>> another major issue in the presidential race, reproductive rights. showdowns are playing out across key battleground states, including arizona. lawmakers there narrowly voted to repeal a controversial civil war era ban on nearly all abortions. but the timing could mean that it could still take effect briefly. nbc's hallie jackson is our senior washington correspondent. hallie jackson, explain all of that. >> all right, hoda. the arizona governor is expected to sign this repeal into law later today. that's the next step that would roll back this controversial 19th century abortion ban in arizona that would have become one of the country's strictest bans. this is the latest development in
trump's taking aim at his former lawyer and fixer, michael cohen. what's different from last time is mr. trump did not take these swipes in social media posts. instead, they were made out loud on camera. then, savannah, right back to the trial and more testimony about those hush money payments. >> all right, peter alexander. at the white house. thank you, peter. >>> another major issue in the presidential race, reproductive rights. showdowns are playing out across key...
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cohen because michael cohen has been out there. he has been speaking in publicly and very critical of trump and saying these things that trump's team has argued, okay, he should be able to respond to this and karen, what they're raising right now is when trump spoke to the cameras outside of the courtroom on april 22, the moment that you just saw there trump was campaigning last night and i was listening to his remarks in michigan, i believe is where it was. and they're talking about how trump is able to speak outside the courtroom about michael cohen, who is expected to be a witness here and expected testified. trump was saying he can't talk about this case at all, but he was on camera talking about the case at a rally. he is allowed to talk about the case he just can't attack witnesses or the other prosecutors on alvin bragg's team that we can still dr. alvin bragg himself exactly the judge just says, look, you can talk about the case as much as you want. >> you could campaign mean as much as you want. just can't intimidate witne
cohen because michael cohen has been out there. he has been speaking in publicly and very critical of trump and saying these things that trump's team has argued, okay, he should be able to respond to this and karen, what they're raising right now is when trump spoke to the cameras outside of the courtroom on april 22, the moment that you just saw there trump was campaigning last night and i was listening to his remarks in michigan, i believe is where it was. and they're talking about how trump...
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michael cohen is out there every night talking about the guy for his own free will who will testify against the former president very soon. how do you resolve this? >> well, that's the problem. there is no real effort by the court to resolve it in any balanced way. this judge as well as the judge in d.c. basically said we won't take any form of accommodation towards you because you are the leading candidate for the presidency. the question is why? that's not written or chiseled in stone. why wouldn't you acknowledge the rather unique circumstances here? this is a prosecutor in new york who waited to bring this case right before an election and then sought to gag the leading candidate from talking about one of his biggest critics who is as you noted on the air almost every night. also he can't talk about this leading prosecutor who came from the biden administration. those are issues that go directly to the election. many people are obviously moving towards trump because they see the politicalization of the legal system. these are the facts that he needs to be able to discuss with voters. bu
michael cohen is out there every night talking about the guy for his own free will who will testify against the former president very soon. how do you resolve this? >> well, that's the problem. there is no real effort by the court to resolve it in any balanced way. this judge as well as the judge in d.c. basically said we won't take any form of accommodation towards you because you are the leading candidate for the presidency. the question is why? that's not written or chiseled in stone....
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michael cohen, we all believe will be the key witness here. when do you put him on the stand if you're the prosecution and why i think about three-quarters of the way through, you don't want him to be last because it's gonna be explosive the cross is going to be very aggressive, but you also want to take this time which they did very effectively with david pecker and they're doing now with keith davidson to preemptively corroborate him so that by the time michael cohen gets on the stand, and the jury says, well, yeah, we already heard about that meeting. we already heard about that text message and those interactions from someone else. i also think they're doing a great job with davidson of kind of lightening it and putting it on the record for the jury that michael cohen was a jerk, aggressive so combative. davidson is calling him those things, right. so that when that all happens during cross and even perhaps during direct, the jury says, all right, he's a jerk, but that doesn't mean here we don't believe him. >> sir. that is an interesting
michael cohen, we all believe will be the key witness here. when do you put him on the stand if you're the prosecution and why i think about three-quarters of the way through, you don't want him to be last because it's gonna be explosive the cross is going to be very aggressive, but you also want to take this time which they did very effectively with david pecker and they're doing now with keith davidson to preemptively corroborate him so that by the time michael cohen gets on the stand, and...
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new york congresswoman elise stefanik demanding another probe of former michael cohen. cheryl casone with the details. >> she is asking the just is the department to investigate cohen for allegations of perjury before congress. >> democrats corrupt and desperate witch hunts against president trump must come to an end. this is blatant election interference and the american people know it. that's why today i filed an official complaint with the department of justice office of professional responsibility on joe biden's special counsel jack smith for his clear and illegal efforts of election interference. we will fight the democrats' unjust law fare and expose the corruption whether new york, atlanta, or washington, d.c. >> the former trump lawyer and fixer admitted to lying before the intelligence committee in february of 2019. stefanik and mike turner want the doj to take up a criminal referral against him. she accused the biden administration of stone walling. harvey weinstein is facing a new trial after a previous rape conviction was overturned. he was remanded back to
new york congresswoman elise stefanik demanding another probe of former michael cohen. cheryl casone with the details. >> she is asking the just is the department to investigate cohen for allegations of perjury before congress. >> democrats corrupt and desperate witch hunts against president trump must come to an end. this is blatant election interference and the american people know it. that's why today i filed an official complaint with the department of justice office of...
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two have to do with public comments trump made over the last week attacking michael cohen as a liar. there is an additional one in which he made public comments about david pecker in the middle of his testimony, calling him a nice guy who had been saying nice things about him so far. the fourth one had to do with the jury, in which donald trump claimed last week that 95% of the jurors were democrats. so far the prosecution is making their case to the judge saying in part by talking about the jury at all, he places this process and this hearing in jeopardy. that is what this order forbids, and he did it anyway. he's already been found to have violated the gag order nine times and he's done it again here, making the case that donald trump is now repeatedly violaing the gag order and putting the witnesses in jeopardy here for this trial. >> thank you so much. let's bring in nbc news legal analyst catherine christian. thank you for being with us. at least in northwest florida, if a judge told a defendant not to do something or told somebody in the courtroom not to doing this and they kep
two have to do with public comments trump made over the last week attacking michael cohen as a liar. there is an additional one in which he made public comments about david pecker in the middle of his testimony, calling him a nice guy who had been saying nice things about him so far. the fourth one had to do with the jury, in which donald trump claimed last week that 95% of the jurors were democrats. so far the prosecution is making their case to the judge saying in part by talking about the...
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cohen. >> switching gears, you worked for the department of justice under attorney general. >> i did. >> donald trump in his "time" magazine piece, which covered a lot of ground. we mentioned president biden highlighting from trump is saying about abortion. he also, trump, suggested that if he were to lose the election this year or, in his mind, if it was stolen from him again, he couldn't say there wouldn't be more violence. >> right. >> he also suggested that doj, your former home, is something that should be more under the president's control and sort of threatened he could use it to go after political opponents. talk to us, give us your reaction to that. >> yeah, so i would use the word aghast, but we're always aghast at what donald trump says and does. i think people should have two general reactions here. the first is that we've got to do everything that is possible, democrats and republicans alike, to keep donald trump away from the white house. secondly, there are steps that congress can take right now, jonathan, to keep donald trump's worst impulses if he is president from b
cohen. >> switching gears, you worked for the department of justice under attorney general. >> i did. >> donald trump in his "time" magazine piece, which covered a lot of ground. we mentioned president biden highlighting from trump is saying about abortion. he also, trump, suggested that if he were to lose the election this year or, in his mind, if it was stolen from him again, he couldn't say there wouldn't be more violence. >> right. >> he also...
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michael cohen has some credibility issues. he is someone that no one really likes, apparently at least according to davidson and so i think if he doesn't go well, the prosecution may say all right, let's put on storming to corroborate well, we've already said by the records, so she's like the secret weapon is briefly and i'm an accord with terry that she doesn't have to go, but the optics i'm sure that having that strategic discussion because the optics of her not going may cause some juries to be confused. wait, we've been talking about stormy daniels what right. so i think because they want the full really story to get out there, write that she goes not because she's a indispensable witness, because people have spoken to the issue. she will speak to. but because the jury wants to know and they want to hear from her, and i think is an important part of the process that's absolutely right. all right. thank you all very much. and next breaking news, marjorie taylor greene now, taking on her own party as republicans are slamming
michael cohen has some credibility issues. he is someone that no one really likes, apparently at least according to davidson and so i think if he doesn't go well, the prosecution may say all right, let's put on storming to corroborate well, we've already said by the records, so she's like the secret weapon is briefly and i'm an accord with terry that she doesn't have to go, but the optics i'm sure that having that strategic discussion because the optics of her not going may cause some juries to...
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did you ever believe that michael cohen was going to be the source of these funds. davidson, never. never prior to funding, no. prosecutor, where did you understand the money would be coming from? davidson, from donald trump or some corporate affiliation thereof. joining me now msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. thank you for staying late. i know you have a busy day tomorrow. is keith davidson's assertion it's my guy is that sufficient to establish trump is pulling the strings here and that this is politically motivated? >> no. but luckily prosecutors are not depending on keith davidson alone. they're constructing a narrative so think about keith davidson as a piece of the puzzle as opposed to the puzzle himself. he corroborates much of what david pecker has told us, but he also had his own interactions most notably with dylan howard who's the chief content officer of ami and sort of deputized by pecker to get the stuff done. >> right, he was the action man. i do wonder how you look at the -- each side's defense and prosecutorial argument here because it feels like the prosecutio
did you ever believe that michael cohen was going to be the source of these funds. davidson, never. never prior to funding, no. prosecutor, where did you understand the money would be coming from? davidson, from donald trump or some corporate affiliation thereof. joining me now msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. thank you for staying late. i know you have a busy day tomorrow. is keith davidson's assertion it's my guy is that sufficient to establish trump is pulling the strings here and that...
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cohen did >> say more about that. meaning that cohen had gone rogue here? >>: had gone rogue. this was the lawyer trying to freelance and hoping that he was going to get some great later payoff from donald trump and this is why he did it. that is one possible defense. a lot of white-collar crime people, you know, it was my assistant and oh, my secretary so he could go with that. >> generally in those cases, the principal has an agent that is committing it if they're not doing it themselves. >> i think there are some problems with that we already had testimony his fingerprints were all over this and i think he has made a lot of public statements that, in fact, he did this and there's nothing wrong with it. so those are all admissible i think probably they are going to go where there was nothing wrong with this and that is a risky defense. >> her piece in the new york times, i think out yesterday, right? >> yep. >> thanks so much. >> thank you. >> that is all in on this wednesday night. alex wagner tonight starts right
cohen did >> say more about that. meaning that cohen had gone rogue here? >>: had gone rogue. this was the lawyer trying to freelance and hoping that he was going to get some great later payoff from donald trump and this is why he did it. that is one possible defense. a lot of white-collar crime people, you know, it was my assistant and oh, my secretary so he could go with that. >> generally in those cases, the principal has an agent that is committing it if they're not doing...
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you spoke with michael cohen. is that correct? you exchanged emails with michael cohen. you had several discussions with him. you not privy to what, if anything was said between him and mr. trump, are you in fact, you have no idea who directed this if it was trump or anyone else, or if you act it on his own, you can't give us any indication as to that. can you? and so why do i say that the cross has to suggest that this was something that cohen was doing, right? and it he's the fixer he was doing it. not necessarily that he included his boss told his boss whether he was looking for brownie points or whatever, perhaps that's a defense, but you move trump away from that, and that's what colin's job was. why would trump have any knowledge of this? that's what that's going to be their play. >> and terry, so far, you here a couple of takes from what davidson has said one is a well, he thinks that he knew this was gonna help the campaign. he knew all of that. the other is he doesn't he doesn't have at least so far any knowledge of trump telling cohen or to say he didn't think
you spoke with michael cohen. is that correct? you exchanged emails with michael cohen. you had several discussions with him. you not privy to what, if anything was said between him and mr. trump, are you in fact, you have no idea who directed this if it was trump or anyone else, or if you act it on his own, you can't give us any indication as to that. can you? and so why do i say that the cross has to suggest that this was something that cohen was doing, right? and it he's the fixer he was...
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we know that michael cohen has certainly been pushing his buttons. and i think what we're seeing is just the frustration that donald trump is feeling because he can't be on the campaign trail, because he can't push and fight back like he would want to. >> okay, eric, good to see you this morning. thanks very much indeed. and ian's been in touch already. gbnews.com/yoursay says love him or loathe him, donald trump is being targeted by the judicial system. the court should be about right and wrong and not used to imprison political opponents . of course, political opponents. of course, democrats would say that isn't happening and is simply they're being tried for things he has allegedly done wrong. but it's, you cannot because it is. the judicial system is politicised in a way. i mean, certainly in a way that you'd never see over here, it does raise those questions. can't ignore it, but it's not doing his campaign any harm, is it? well, no. >> and it hasn't so far. if anything, it positively impacts him in the polls, doesn't it? whenever we see trump i
we know that michael cohen has certainly been pushing his buttons. and i think what we're seeing is just the frustration that donald trump is feeling because he can't be on the campaign trail, because he can't push and fight back like he would want to. >> okay, eric, good to see you this morning. thanks very much indeed. and ian's been in touch already. gbnews.com/yoursay says love him or loathe him, donald trump is being targeted by the judicial system. the court should be about right...
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michael cohen wired $130,000 to stormy daniel's lawyer. that payment was the damaging information from the voting public. >> straightforward. >> and what was crucial and critical and they got right away which i think was so important, this was not about protecting melania. the defense wants you to think this was about trump protecting his family but we know and that is what pecker spoke to, he knew this was about the campaign. that the access hollywood tape had come out and they were worried that these two other allegations would sink his campaign. >> yeah. and, renato, again, we don't make the news, we report on it and the parts that are dry are dry. politico had a similar observation about the davidson testimony yesterday. i will read that to you. while there are colorful claims at the core, davidson, the lawyer for daniels and mcdougal, had a presentation that was cautious and calculated. in other words, lawyerly. for prosecutors, his staid recollection would be a welcome contrast. do you show that assessment or what do you think? >> i
michael cohen wired $130,000 to stormy daniel's lawyer. that payment was the damaging information from the voting public. >> straightforward. >> and what was crucial and critical and they got right away which i think was so important, this was not about protecting melania. the defense wants you to think this was about trump protecting his family but we know and that is what pecker spoke to, he knew this was about the campaign. that the access hollywood tape had come out and they...
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. -- michael cohen -- what credibility? >> let's just review who he is. a multiple time convicted felon who went to federal prison for lying, swindling and stealing client funds among other things. and then this guy while on federal probation just this year went before a federal judge and lied to him in a legal pleading and made up case law to try and get his probationary sentence over early. this guy is now going on tiktok and as you said, i don't know you can destroy your credibility any further but if there is someone who can do it, it is definitely the likes of michael cohen. i've never seen a witness in a criminal proceeding participate in social media before they took the witness stand and the fact that bragg and company are allowing it, to me shows me that they are in on it with him. >> trace: it is baffling. i'm not even a lawyer and it's baffling from the outside looking in. great to have you on the show as always, thank you. meantime back to the breaking news, let's check in with bill melugin live on the ucla campus. >> reporter: more of the sam
. -- michael cohen -- what credibility? >> let's just review who he is. a multiple time convicted felon who went to federal prison for lying, swindling and stealing client funds among other things. and then this guy while on federal probation just this year went before a federal judge and lied to him in a legal pleading and made up case law to try and get his probationary sentence over early. this guy is now going on tiktok and as you said, i don't know you can destroy your credibility...
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did you ever believe michael cohen was the ultimate source of these funds? >> never, never prior to funding, no. >> prosecutor, where did you understand the money would be coming from? davidson, from donald trump or some affiliation thereof. joining me now is legal correspondent lisa rubin. i know you have a busy day tomorrow. is keith davidson's assertion that it is cohen and my guy and this all needs to happen before the election, is that sufficient to establish that trump is actually pulling the strings and that this is politically motivated? >> no, but prosecutors are not relying on keith davidson alone. they are constructing a narrative around michael cohen, who is the one witness other than donald trump himself who could tell the story from start to finish. think about keith davidson is a piece of the puzzle, as opposed to the puzzle himself. he corroborates much of what david pecker has told us, but he also had his own interactions with dylan howard, the chief content officer of ami and was deputized by pecker to get stuff done. >> he was the action m
did you ever believe michael cohen was the ultimate source of these funds? >> never, never prior to funding, no. >> prosecutor, where did you understand the money would be coming from? davidson, from donald trump or some affiliation thereof. joining me now is legal correspondent lisa rubin. i know you have a busy day tomorrow. is keith davidson's assertion that it is cohen and my guy and this all needs to happen before the election, is that sufficient to establish that trump is...